Monday, March 25, 2013







1958 Mercedes Benz 319 Fensterbus







Samba’s Daddy: 1958 Mercedes Benz 319 Fensterbus

This 1958 Mercedes Benz 319 is the roof window “Fensterbus” model of the 319 style truck. This one has been restored and is a RHD example that was originally shipped to Australia. It was imported to Germany in February 2011 and would be an amazing Vehicle to tour through Europe. Find it here on eBay.de in Freiburg, Germany for 39,999 Euros. Special thanks to BaT reader Keith W. for this submission!
1958 Mercedes Benz 319 Panoramabus Fensterbus Camp Tour Bus For Sale Front
We have never seen another of these as a RHD model, as most were for the home market. The interior needs a major logo purge, but the factory wheel and speedometer are very cool. The column shifter is on the left, and a vintage Becker or Blaupunkt stereo could be swapped in with a stealth iPod connector for better sound options and looks.
1958 Mercedes Benz 319 Panoramabus Fensterbus Camp Tour Bus For Sale Dash
There are plenty of windows in the body already, but the additional roof windows make it look like everything above the high belt-line is glass. The red stripe does a good job of breaking up the white monotony, and the roof rack works well.
1958 Mercedes Benz 319 Panoramabus Fensterbus Camp Tour Bus For Sale Rear
The interior is a little too street-rod looking, so we’d kill all the logos and source some red MB-Tex for the seats and benches. Notice the sliding fabric covers for the roof windows and the green driver sun shade.
1958 Mercedes Benz 319 Panoramabus Fensterbus Camp Tour Bus For Sale Interior
This is a cool looking rig that would garner more attention going down the road that almost any other van. With the aesthetic details sorted, it would come time to see if the gasoline 4-cylinder was really enough to make it useful. If not, we suspect that a creative modern diesel swap would make it a very interesting vehicle to drive.

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  1. Even back then Mercedes put their badge everywhere!
  2. With all of that glass retrofitting an A/C system seems advisable.
  3. perfect tourbus for Miami
  4. Barker the Clown
    What’s German for, “Duuuuuuuddddde….”?
  5. Stating the obvious, maybe, but fenster means window in German.
  6. @Charles – In other words 319 windows. Wow, puts those VWs to shame.
  7. Since the VW Samba buses started production in 1951 I would say they are this bus’s daddy.
  8. I can’t even begin to imagine driving this RHD in Europe on narrow mountain roads. Might be good for an upcoming circus act advertisement.
    I would like to see a camper version though!
  9. Wow, my all time favorite a Mercedes Mini Bus.
    and N O ! it does not have 319 windows.
    This model here distinguishes itself from the “serial” version in that respect that it has a weird window arrangement not usually seen.
    It is not as pretty though, too many small windows.
    AND NO it does not have 319 windows (from the german title). More below.
    It is mini, because at 16 feet they really don’t take up more space (Parking spot) than regular Mercedes Sedan from that era.
    Also Mercedes built (to this day) FULL size buses for public transportation or for long distance travel.
    They are incredible agile and have a turn circle most compact cars could just dream of (30 ! feet).
    How do I know ?
    My brother and I had one in the early 80 ies and drove it from Germany to Northern Italy to play on the Tennis satellite tour. It was converted into a camper.
    Most guys there had VW buses and we had this huge Mercedes Bus with twice the room and double the gas mileage(35 ! miles per gallon of diesel) . I cannot believe we never took any photos.
    It was the coolest thing.
    We ended up selling it and to this day I regret that. It still had some of the original seating with the fold down emergency seats.
    Production numbers are not too clear, but it’s estimated about 10,000 buses were built and a very small percentage was actually the “Panorama Bus” version.
    319 refers to the model (officially O319(D)) originally equipped with the 1.9 liter gasoline or diesel motors (your choice). The O standing for Omnibus (loose translation: all passenger bus).
    I could go on and on.
    Well, if interested please log into my blog that I am starting and comment briefly with your e-mail address.
    Anybody who has, or even had one, or photos of them (!) or any 319 truck, van or Bus: I would love to hear from you !!
  10. I wish there were a person standing in one of the photos – as I am having a really hard time getting the ‘scale’ of this. ;)
    In the first BaT photo, in particular, it looks like it could be 10 feet tall!
  11. @ BRW: scale? This thing could carry a VW Samba as a spare.
  12. Wow.
    It’d fit in perfectly in Marin County: a mix of dirty hippy and conspicuous money.
    What’s next, a Porsche that looks like a VW bug?
  13. BTW: I saw this on E-bay months ago.
    While somebody restored it in Australia, it is not as good a restoration as one would hope.
    Original Asking price was double of what it is now.
    Although unique, it has not found a buyer yet.
    Engine parts are fairly easy to come buy, as the engines were the same as the sedans (190/190D) with some modifications. Body parts are becoming sparse as well as brake and suspension.
    The bus is about 8 and 1/2 feet tall and only allows about 5’8″ standing room inside.
    @ Chrispc
    These were built from 1955 through 1967 and by definition the VW might be the daddy, but it looks like “Sonny” has outgrown ‘Daddy’ and then some….
  14. Entspannen Sie sich, alles klar? Mein Alter ist ein Fernseh-Mechaniker, er hat diese ultimative Satz von Werkzeugen. Ich kann es reparieren.
  15. I had no idea there were any Gangsta rappers in Australia, let alone that they like old Mercedes busses.
  16. Cool bus with a cool name, but I can’t think of a practical application.
  17. Finally, one of my submissions make BaT (no association with seller), though I would of preferred some of the more zany, less deserving ‘Oldtimer’ vehicles on ebay.de – like the Rochdale Olympic, Syrena 105, the LuAZ 969, or the circa 1800′s gypsy wagon fronted by a woman in stripper clothes.
    In the Samba wars, I think this one wins, I believe that the VW Sambas had up to 23 windows, I believe this MBz has 27.
  18. @ Icedvovo
    What practical application would half the cars featured here have anyway.
    I think you’re in the wrong place for “practical”.
    To name a few, ’67 Corvette , the Mangusta race car, the NSU Sport Prince a week ago , the Tucker motor for $60 grand etc, etc, etc,
    Practical ? who needs practical, that’s by far N O T what this site is all about , I think.
  19. RHD, for we in the “civilized” world of LHD, is a bit of a bummer – mainly when you pull it into the local Sonic Drive-In or something.
    That said, this is the coolest…um…church bus I’ve ever seen. De-gaudy the interior trim and it would be a really fun mini-motorhome for race weekends and such. Pricey, too, but would you ever see another one?
  20. Alex (6.3)
    What is your recollection of the driving experience? The 48 Horsepower (albiet DIN Ponies) has always spooked me away. I would guess a 190D would gather enough momintum to do 50 mph foot to he floor (which is OK for allday). But a 190 gas with a couple of passengers – - -scary slow?
  21. @ 6point3
    You’re talking to a man with a shed full of seemingly impractical cars and bikes, but all are fit for a singular purpose; no matter how niche. We only really one truly parctical car amongst them.
    Maybe I chose my words badly.
    This seems to have no singular purpose . It’s not fit for camping, there’s no real seats for comfortable long distance touring. And it’s not a real driver’s vehicle.
    From the pics it seems to have been built here in Oz purely for the show circuit. I’ll guess it was probably a beer cruiser at Summernats (anyone?)
    I like it, but I guess I simply don’t ‘get it’.
  22. @ Icedvovo
    I guess I understand you now.
    I didn’t remember the interior shot since I looked at it several months ago.
    I guess the limited use reflects the inability to sell it for what was actually sunk into it.
    But I have seen it before.
    Tons of money, no expenses spared into a restoration for an owner (and his own interest and ego) who’s willing to ‘let it go’ at the end of the journey.
    It might have been on the ‘Beauty Pageant Circuit’ in Oz, too bad it wasn’t kept over there.
    Instead the ‘new’ owner is probably deep upside down into it (serious shipping, customs and tax expenses !) and has no purpose for it from what it seems.
    If it had the seats still, it would be an awesome City tour bus…..
    Ultimately it would just make a nice toy for somebody, which goes pretty much for most of these cars here, if you really think about it.
    This one, unfortunately, more expensive than most people could enjoy.
  23. @ Bug Nutts
    I remember it being far from a race car, that’s for sure.
    But on the same token, somehow the Germans seem to be able to tune , adjust or build their diesel engines better than what I ‘ve seen in the US !
    From what I remember, somebody fit in a newer 200 , maybe even 220 or 240 d -motor into it. These fit (4cylinders) with some modification to the intake and exhaust, fuel filter bracket and other things (IIRC). So it did have some get up and go. Once you learn it’s limitations it can move rather swiftly, which is a necessity in European traffic. Regrettably this shortcoming was the reason for it’s ultimate near demise, but that’s a whole other story.
  24. I owned one of these for a short time with the 42 hp 180 Diesel
    With a curb weight of about 4300 pounds, each hp has 100 pounds to drag around.
    An Isetta only has 12 hp,but weighs 770 pounds…..and can beat the pants off the 319 in a drag race.
    Fully loaded with 1.8 tons….
  25. BTW,in doing any major-ish work..a few bolts is all it takes,and the entire front end/drive line wheels out for easy access.
    You tube will show you..
  26. @ DaveW
    That is so true and the genius of Mercedes in the fifties.
    BTW, Same goes for the Ponton Sedans !!
    Nowadays very few people attempt this approach, because of worn suspension mounts and bushings. Unfortunately, the new parts are hard to find, because:
    The genius in the eighties @ Mercedes was to take a whole factory building full of BRAND NEW truck parts as for these 319 and cart it off to the dump, declare it a loss, just to make room for the new E-class being built starting in ’85.
    But that’s a story ‘Mercedes Benz’ will never tell you. Wooohooo, “Classic Center” , blah, blah, blah….”we care aboutyou classic Mercedes” (end of mini-rant)
  27. I rode to school in one of these when I was a kid…
  28. For the same money, I still would rather have this than a VW Samba.
  29. This would be worth having just so you could say “Let’s take the Fensterbus for a ride”
  30. Lokks like a very hip ride. I would change the wheels and chrome the bumpers so it looks less like an ice cream truck but otherwise, load it up and head for Yosemite!
  31. Very nice indeed. MB’s version of VW’s 21 window micro bus.
    What a vehicle to tour Europe then ship it home to have at your house in western Montana for exploration around Glacier and Yellowstone.
  32. The L 319 Bus was our hippie dream in Germany in the 60s, but we only could afford the VW Bus. Just as well, as the VW was considerably faster… especially as the L 319 Diesel. 43 hp, two tons empty…unbelievable.
    In the 70s I worked in a large south German salt mine. The L 319 was our daily driver underground and even there seemed slow. And what the salty atmosphere could do to the metal, although it was dry.
    Anyway, have a look there for other body configurations. There was even a dump truck.http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mercedes-Benz_L319?uselang=de
  33. I shoulda named my kid Fensterbus. She’s a righty, too.
  34. I know of a rougher, but running and registered, one just like this nearby. Wondows and all. Wierdly even sold new here with RHD. I believe it has served as a library bus or mobile bank earlier, now seems to full of seats, though i haven’t looked inside it.
    Maybe i should let him know its time to sell, they’ve finally become valuable.
    These are kinda cool looking, but to be honest at this price i’d have a VW instead.
  35. My wife’s parents had one of these, although not a samba. It had been converted to a camper with a Dormobile top, one of about a half-dozen made this way. (dormant website at http://www.geocities.ws/mb319camper )
    They picked it up in Germany, owned it for many years in the 60s through 80s, and drove it all over the country. It had the gas engine, and it was S L O W. They took long vacation trips, so it didn’t seem to bother them. It was gray and they called it the Elephant. Now in California being restored (hopefully).
  36. Ausgezeichnet!
  37. Living in a warmer climate, I can only think of how miserably warm it must be with all of that glass.
  38. 6point3: actually, “omnibus” is Latin for “for all,” and was originally the name of the (first horse-drawn and then motorized) vehicle we now call a bus (the old name hung on for a while in English, at least among the pedantic–I believe several other languages switched over to “autobus” once they became, er, auto-mobile). If you knew this and that’s what you meant by “loosely translated,” my apologies for the pedantry.
  39. This van has an interesting History. I say VAN as that is what it was. The side windows were fitted here in Australia not in Germany.
    If you do a Google image search on “O319 coach” you will see a lot of images of what the real thing looks like.
    The other give away that it is not the real thing is that the Bus or Coach version did not have rear Barn doors. There was a large rear window and a single opening hatch under it.
    It was listed here in Australia on eBay as a factory oginial and purcached by someone in Germany, suspect he regtrets it now….
    But, all that said it is still a cool thing.
  40. ADC’s link shows a very nice paint scheme.
    This is a great, classic vehicle. I love it and thank BaT for bringing it to us. Yes, the interior is a bit garish; but that’s easily rectified. I do love the wheel and the speedo as BaT does. A very cool vehicle overall; but yes, I’d want a diesel.
  41. It’s cars like this that keep me coming back to BaT every day. Very unique and interesting.
  42. @ M.B. Spares
    “It was listed here in Australia on eBay as a factory oginial and purcached by someone in Germany, suspect he regtrets it now”
    D’oh. Nowhere to hide these days.
    BaT should offer a pre-purchase ‘forum roasting’ as a service. Nothing gets past this forum. :)
  43. I just want to do everything in this. Practical? I bet you could make it practical for anything.
    I seem to recall a story of a family traveling the world in a early 1900s grand tourer. They’d packed up a bunch of their stuff and they were roaming the world in this huge old car.
    I’d be tempted to buy this, put my entire house in it (bet it would fit too) and go EVERYWHERE.
  44. @ Merl
    Retrofitting an A/C system ??
    Do not even consider that. The volume of air inside will burn out most blower motors, not to mention fry the battery, and slow this vehicle to a crawl. But !:
    How ’bout this really wild and outlandish idea:
    Put in a 3 by 5 foot sliding Canvas Ragtop sunroof, that opens up this roof like a huge can of sardines,
    oohh, wait, Mercedes offered that to those customers that did not cut corners in the wrong places on their vehicle orders / options.
    How do I know ??
    @ Icedvovo
    I am with you on that all the way.
    Some people would really learn and see how to judge the cars (and sellers for that matter) in a whole different light.
  45. Seems like a lot of money to me for a customized 319, even if it is a “Fensterbus”. I owned a 319 crew cab fire tender that was in nice shape with low klm’s. I seem to remember paying around $2500 for it.
  46. @ KWW – Where do I find this enticing sounding 1800′s gypsy wagon w/stripper? Looked for about 5 mins, but no dice (I don’t sprecken any german).
  47. Not sure if this blast is a little to strong for the BAT forum, can tone it down if you like Mr Moderator…
    Have just had a read of the ebay add and there are a few mistruths in there.
    - It was a L319 van that was converted to a small bus here in Australia for Andersons Coach’s in Albury NSW. It was sold off many years ago and was just left out in a paddock. Then it was eBayed here in Australia and brought by the now famous “Leslie” who is the guy that ripped the seats out and made it into a party bus.
    - The claim of last RHD one left is rubbish. I personally own a real RHD O319 coach and know of a few more real ones in RHD. There is a white one with the seats still in it that was on ebay UK in 2009. there is a very rusty one in RSA, there is at least one other one here in Australia that has had a camper conversion. There are also about 20 RHD vans still here in Australia.
    - If it is worth 83000 Euro, it would have sold long ago at 40000euro.
    And that is from what I can translate. Someone who speaks Deutsch can you translate this:
    Einen letzten Schliff erhiehlt der Oldtimer im Oktober 2011 bei Mercedes Benz (Rechnung vorliegen)
    Can’t stand it when vehicles are misrepresented.. It only make the rest of us who are honest look suspect as the public get used to dealing with stuff like this….. :-(
  48. @ ESK
    It did not matter, if you sprecHen any german, you just may need to know how to read it.
    Anyway, it ran out just before you looked, no takers .
    Neither was too exciting anyway…..
    Seller says he found it in a castle in central France…….whoooooheeee !
  49. Hy there, nice to see this site and all the comments.. I´M the OWNER and if you would like to visit the bus or buy it, let me know. Greetings from black forest, germany
    Ralf
  50. @ M.B.spares
    ” Someone who speaks Deutsch can you translate this:”
    Einen letzten Schliff erhiehlt der Oldtimer im Oktober 2011 bei Mercedes Benz (Rechnung liegen vor)
    It means: ‘A final cut or polish (as in Diamonds) was done to this “Oldtimer” at Mercedes Benz in 10 of 2011 (Receipts are present).
    I know what you’re saying. I completely agree with you.
    I could also bet, that this buyer was uneducated in this regard bought this for too much, spent a fortune shipping it and legalizing it in Germany and now is so far in the hole he has to sell. It borders a lot on naivety. There was another (two tone green, you’d like that given your name…) 319 (authentic) Panorama bus for sale recently in the neighborhood of 80,000 euros.
    And lastly: On your site: you’re probably right about your theory in the luxury bus demise.
    I happen to own one of those, with all the seats still present, but in the sorriest state you can imagine. I had an opportunity to buy extra seats and did not grab them. I did not realize the rarity.
  51. A bus company I worked for in southern California in the early seventies had one of these. It was LHD with the four-speed shifter on the column. Unlike this one, it had a retractable cloth sunroof. The color scheme was cream on the body with a dark burgundy accent stripes. The seats were upholstered in a very fancy burgundy and gold brocade. Someone asked about the height, which was about the same as a VW Type 2, maybe a couple of inches taller. It rode very well, but it was extremely underpowered. The boss had even milled the head, fiddled the jetting and advance to get a bit more horse pressure, but then we had to use 100+ octane (Chevron White Pump).
    I did enjoy the times I could tool around town with no passengers and the sunroof wide open.
  52. They should totally re-start the production on that one. How much cooler can it get? The perfect Life-mobile. :D
  53. All of you with experience restoring and modifying these: how hard would it be to drop a modern Sprinter drivetrain and aircon system into one of these? I’d be sorely tempted if it was feasible.
  54. hmmm…
    there are many more than 5!
    here is one from BAT last year http://bringatrailer.com/2012/02/20/sambas-daddy-1958-mercedes-benz-319-fensterbus/
    there were also 2 for sale in california in the last year or so, they were certainly a lot more affordable.
  55. Horse Radish
    @ Bill
    Did you drive for Starline or Grey line tours.
    I have one of their buses, maybe THE BUS YOU WERE DRIVING THEN. I’d love some back ground/history on it….
    E-mail me , I am in North L A county.
    Alex 300parts@gmail.com
    @ nathan r.
    I don’t know where the “5″ comes from .
    Maybe 5 RHD trucks delivered to the ‘coachbuilder’ who converted that van in AU ?


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